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Scores of punkers like metal and vice versa. Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by antonkk, May 17, 2011. ? These were GROUNDBREAKING POP??????? All Ildjarn/Sort Vokter material is out of print as far as I know (perhaps Vidar Vaaer himself has some stock left? Hardcore punk, street punk and Oi! Siegbran, it seems as though the move towards atonality and manic syncopation in metal reached its peak (in different ways) with Cryptopsy "None So Vile" and Gorguts "Obscura", but even the last Gorguts album seemed to back off a bit from what "Obscura" implied, and I haven't followed much contemporary death metal. Log in or Sign up. irrelevant to most fans of death metal then? This is definitely a memorable group. Get a special offer and listen to over 60 million songs, anywhere with Amazon Music Unlimited. Well, I don't think completely abandoning "fun" as a goal is a wise between the lyrics and the clearly-well-planned music? The Wagnerian opera/air guitar rock-element of the early 80s metal and its musically equivalent "stadium rock" metal bands of the 80s/90s has all but completely vanished from *current* metal. This also opened up another great renaissance in sonic experimentation. All tension, no release. Duty now for the fun-free future! And because Metalheads revere skill and showmanship over straightforwardness, Metal is sometimes described as convoluted, byzantine and busy. Conversely, whereas European Metal is very brutal and dark, European Punk passes for (twisted but still) radio friendly semi-pop. becoming a hopeless drag. The whole genre is certainly a punk/metal hybrid. Advertisement. "; Punkers are more even-handed with women. All of their songs sound the same and their lead vocals sound like a retard on novacaine. democratic (anyone can play in an Oi band, hardly anyone can Maybe you're more metal. Home Forums > Discussions > Music Corner > METAL vs PUNK. I can't think of any Punker who tries the operatic shriek, and I've never heard any Metalheads mumble all the lyrics in a monotone. packaging). Experimenting with the boundaries of distortion/aesthetics, but one at the rediculously fast & complex/rigid end, and the other at the rediculously slow and psychedelic/morphing end. Between Siegbran, Kris and John Darnielle I've learned more about where the jocks and the freaks were fighting "punk is junk! Metalheads bellow and shriek (side note: Michael Bolton started out as a Metalhead. Both should not be too hard to find...a nice review of "Obscura" here. Punk directly attacking and criticizing it, and metal creating a new (or, as you could say, recreating an old) world where life is larger and simpler. What do you mean by this? Short In the early 80s, LA’s rock scene was split – on one side were the punks, and on the other the metalheads. All three are loud and harsh music forms having evolved from the original rock music. Poll closed Jun 16, 2011. Its all greasy guys yelling about Satan and how much money they have....", OK, who's going to be the first to bring up Motorhead? In the mid 70s, proto-Metallic bands tried to evoke atmosphere by trying to aping the complexity and density of Classical Music. The only two truly useful Metal bands of the 80s (Metallica and Guns'n'Roses) were able to make their mark because they sounded different. "Skullfucking Armageddon" obviously appeals more to the drunk blokes at gigs than to the armchair analyst trying to find meaning in lyrics. Early Metalheads strived to master the 12-bar, 6-Chord Blues Masters of the Mississippi Delta (sometimes, with a modicum of genuine respect. ― mark s, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Douglas, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Dario, Friday, 13 January 2006 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link, ― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 25 February 2007 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link, ― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 25 February 2007 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link, "Punk Rock? Intermediate Metal 1 Track. Find out for sure with this quiz! Metal fans see punk and hardcore as diluting the purity or integrity of metal, except for in cases of crust punk and grindcore. I honesty love both. In a way this is strange, as the two styles share many influences and are both loud, extreme forms of rock music. think of it as a great lost no-wave album, like if Mars rocked a lot splish splash. I assume there have been no musical leaps since then? like fucking FedEx. Perhaps the development of Metal is finally "complete" and it will get the status of jazz or folk or rock 'n roll or drum 'n bass, where the major innovations are already behind us and the genre is kept alive merely on behalf of "curators" rather than that it attracts innovators. Both genres take heavy influence from each other, so it’s often hard to tell the difference with modern bands. But the punk connection is obvious. Metal vs Punk. Hence, Punk Rock is littered with witty showmen with great lyrics...and terrible singing voices or primitive guitar playing. Death metal is, by its nature, pretty much Do you mean more that they use a lot of in terms of music, are death metal bands but instead sing about, say, This also spotlights another important difference. Psychedelic Furs, Siouxsie and the Banshees)**. It was originally used as a catch-all for the music that emerged after punk rock, including punk itself, but may be viewed retrospectively as a more accessible counterpart of post-punk. Grunge vs. Theres a couple doctorate degrees floating around in there, too. stories. More evidence that Custos Me. captured last night after beating a hippee to death with a Gold This test is not based on any scientific study whatsoever. for rotting flesh, etc., because that's the way it works. I second (or eighth) the omigodyougottahearthis rave for Gorguts' narrow as the music gets progressively more exploratory and instrumental complexity) or culturally (crustier looking, artsier ― Siegbran Hetteson, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Kris, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― briania, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― chaki, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Sean, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. Scrap Metal 2 is a 3D car driving game featuring 6 classic race cars: a Dodge Challenger, a Chevrolet Camaro, an Audi S3, a Subaru Imprezza, a Nissan GT, a Ferrari 250 GTO V12 from 1962, and a Lamborgini Huracan. Punk - true punk, not this new wave of pop crap (some of it is kinda catchy - but it's not punk) is about personal expression of views and ideas, not the music - that's secondary. Summoning, if I'm not mistaken, are sort of gothic, incantory doom not far from Godspeed You Black Emperor, right? By continuing, you agree to Quizony's Privacy Policy and Cookie use. play like Cryptopsy) and much harier. While the kids get along much better these days, punk and metal fans hated each other with a fiery passion in the '70s and '80s, and some of that mutual animosity still lingers today. added Rorschach (2) / Operation Mindfuck - Rorschach / Operation Mindfuck to their wantlist. Not to mention the all-star lineup which basically consisted of the four most proficient musicians in the genre of that time. ― Dr. C, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Bluegerm, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Siegbran Hetteson, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― dave k, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. the adults don't, etc. Songs can be in strange keys or include mangled, thuggish sonics...because the Punker is doing this all by ear. Too drunk The chronological progression line in Metal as far as major purely musical innovations go would be somewhat like Black Sabbath (1969), Judas Priest (1976), Iron Maiden (1979), Slayer (1982), Hellhammer/Celtic Frost (1984), Bathory (1985), Sodom (1985), Terrorizer (1985), Napalm Death (1985), Death (1985), Morbid Angel (1986), Sarcofago (1987), Suffocation (1989), Paradise Lost (1990), Darkthrone (1991), Immortal (1991), Burzum (1991), Cryptopsy (1995), Graveland (1995), Summoning (1996), Gorguts (1998). To illustrate, just go to Audiogalaxy and download Gorguts "The Carnal State" (3:07). Lv 7. ASSWIPE JUNKIES www.facebook.com/Ass-Wipe-Junkies-964643593665463. for traditional vocals. inhabits a parallel universe. Seems like the process of "abandoning the 'fun' factor" is well This was the roots of "Goth" music. Its roots can be traced to earlier punk scenes in San Francisco and Southern California which arose as a reaction against the still predominant hippie cultural climate of the time. The kids like it because ― Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Nate Patrin, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Dave225, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. )...but in what way were they musically any different from the Kisses, Def Leppards, Poisons, Motley Crues and Bon Jovis before them? Answer these easy questions, and this quiz can help you figure out whether you're more metal or punk! Death, Discordance Axis, Agathocles, Creation is Crucifixion) but I would not call Metallica radically "different" in the sense that they were doing things nobody did before or nobody did at the time. What if Ildjarn had spawned even more extreme bands in that bizarre "Tangerine Dream synth drones & crust BM" direction? Average Punk song length: 2'10" in length. This isn’t about which one is better, I personally prefer metal but like both, but it’s to speak strictly about the objective differences between the two. It has more diversity, and a lot of my favorite metal bands have a punk influence. Another thing Metal took from Punk. The whole Gorguts album "Obscura" is like this. Metal (and I'm not trying to be mean-spirited, I'm just stating a provable fact.) Bands described as punk metal include Motörhead , [9] Manic Street Preachers , [10] English Dogs , [11] Sum 41 , [12] Rage Against the Machine [13] and L7 . Although there are lots of "could've been" scenarios: what if Burzum had spawned a whole new "ambient/drone metal" genre? Yes Sometimes. either structurally (shorter songs, much less emphasis on From there, they diverged into two forms with a significantly different fan base. But indeed, it's not as if metal doesn't have its share of ludicrous vapidity. How do they compare with the woozy psychedelic doom of bands like Esoteric and Skepticism? Enjoy the high speeds, the drifting, and the crashes! Even the continued existence of Metal owes a debt to Punk. I don't think that one is really that much better than the other when you take the best of each genre. So to summarize, many Punkers are bad or unexceptional (yet weirdly compelling singers), while Metal singers are aggressively irksome. This might not be easy to find... Darkthrone "Transilvanian Hunger" - review here and Burzum "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss" - review It's blues-based 70's rock 'n roll with bad attitude and bad hair (which is enjoyable in many ways, mind you - don't we all love sleazy dirty rock 'n roll? There's no "next big thing", there hasn't been one since, indeed, the Canadian hyperblast Kataklysm/Cryptopsy/Gorguts movement. Now, I'd be one of the first to say that Genres are bunk, but I have to clarify that Metal and Punk are not only not the same thing, they are very close to being opposites. After a few years of tangling with German drones and Avant Garde ideas, a faction of Punkers began building gloomy cathedrals of sound. Punk vs. Metal. The epic Battle between Punk and Metal continues...Soon to be in PRINT and ONLINE every time we feel like it or YOUR MONEY BACK. different parts of these songs. ** all the groundbreaking European Pop of the Late-80s (U2, The Cure, politics or jelly beans? ;-). Punk went ultra-exclusively in the other direction. idea. The differences between the two style might be difficult to explain sometimes, but they are still blindingly obvious even from a cursory listen by someone with no training as a musician. I would say they are just as metal as a Cryptopsy/Gorguts (and just as far from "classic" 70s/early 80s heavy metal), but on the other end of the spectrum. towards either punk or metal. Metal - generally speaking is, like most other forms of music, the whole thing - lyrics, rhythm, structure, changes - everything that most other forms of music contain. The fusion often involves extreme metal genres and hardcore punk . Of course there are exceptions to every rule. Punk Vs. Metal Tab by Charlie Parra Del Riego with free online tab player. Somehow everything is really, really stagnated in metal in the last four, five years. Chewbacca-ass posuer twit!". :-), Well, for one Chuck Eddy writes in English. Punk has more than its fair share of college-educated intellectuals. has more than its fair share of high school drop-outs in the bands. Metal derides punk for being unskilled, simplistic, and political. What makes them metal? 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